Strange Universe Interviews - REVERSED !

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The Reverse Speech phenomena is rapidly becoming accepted as a *new*
investigative tool. Not unlike "remote viewing" some 20 years ago - this shows
promise for a large acceptance among a variety of applications ... the context
here was a recent television interview in which David Oates was interviewed by
Strange Universe about his home office fire, which he, and others, believe to be
the result of arson ... the following audio "reversals" are from David Oates, as well
as the host, Emmett Miller, and others covered in the video interview segment ...
A friend suggested that I do "reversals" on this interview to "test" the truth of the
comments made ... as well as explain how I did this ...


WARNING !


According to several sources, the discovery of methods of analysis of recorded
speech played backwards ( in reverse ) began as a truth investigative / debriefing
tool in the mid 1970s as a joint venture between British Intelligence and the U.S.
Naval Intelligence at the Moffett NAS / NASA Ames Research Center located in
Mountain View, CA, with most of the technical work carried out at SRI, International
located at nearby Menlo Park, CA, at about the same time period as the D.O.D. was
doing their own research into "remote viewing" at S.R.I. - The three year, ten million
dollar project ended when research was suspended, based on the findings that, as a
new method, that it was too unreliable.

Ham radio operator David Oates re-discovered these methods, and improved on
all of them nearly ten years later, with expansions of the application into the areas of
hypnotherapy, general therapy, and neuro-linguistic programming ... This website
contains excerpts from David Oates describing the process of Reverse Speech.

Very little information has been released about the early research days, however,
Mr. Oates continues, along with others, to this day. It has been estimated that more
than 5,000 people now use reverse speech today, and among them are investigators
scientists, researchers, therapists, and amateurs. While many claims are made today
for the benefits of reverse speech, there is still room for a lot more work to be done ...
My thoughts are currently a reflection of what is going on in current research areas :
Most are divided as to whether a tape-based setup or a computer-based setup is best
for reversals - in this article is testimony to both approaches. It does appear that 'time
shifting' aids in finding reversals, but David Oates cautions that listening to something
more than 5 times in-a-row may cause one to 'project' or imagine results where there
aren't any ... and when more real data is found concerning these methods, we'll bring
you the latest results here at The SPYder Web ...


"Reverse speech is human speech spoken backwards simultaneously when a
person is speaking normally. Generally, what it found by playing a recording of
human speech backwards are snippets of the speaker's thoughts. If the reversals
are congruent with the forward speech, one can assume that the speaker is being
honest. If they are contradictory, one can assume that the speaker is less that truthful.
Also found in speech reversals are metaphors, symbols from the deeper consciousness.
It may be possible using Reverse Speech and a post-hypnotic process called Metaphor
Restructuring to accomplish in ten or so therapy sessions what a conventional psycho-
therapist takes one hundred or more sessions to do. This could put a lot of psycholo-
gists out of work. For a more detailed description of RS, I suggest you get a copy of
David's book "Reverse Speech". Ordering info may be found on the front page of
this web site." ( http://www.reversespeech.com - ed.)

"best regards,"

"Mark Volovar"
"markfive@sure.net"




"My name is David John Oates and I am a forty year old Australian researcher.
I claim to have made a discovery and developed a technology that has the potential
to change the whole face of society. This discovery is so profound, its implications
so vast, that at first glance it may seem to be preposterous, almost too good to be
true, certainly too fantastic to be taken seriously. With these caveats, I ask that you
open your mind as you read this book and remember some of the other great discover-
ies in history. Remember how they at first seemed strange, unbelievable almost. Then
remember how these discoveries changed civilization. Discoveries like electricity,
magical forces transferred across wires. Or radio waves, even more magical, speak-
ing to people across the planet without the use of wires. Then there was the horse-
less carriage, the airplane and now we have technologies that can take us to the
moon and beyond."

introduction by David John Oates - It's Only a Metaphor : c1996




By way of introduction, I will be the first to admit that I am new to doing "reversals"
of audio -- recording & playing-back speech backwards and listening for the content
that it may contain. I am not associated in any way with the production staff of 'Strange
Universe' nor David Oates' ReverseSpeech enterprises ... see : http://207.167.65.4
or http://www.reversespeech.com for main RS web pages ...

The equipment I used was an old Sony "boom box" with modified tape heads to playback
any cassette tape backwards. I chose this for several reasons : First, my only contact with
reversals of audio was as a visitor to the RS website ( http://www.reversespeech.com )
and the web forum - which suggested that one might bravely modify a cassette recorder
for use, and secondly, because of the large wing-speakers, heavy batteries, external
microphone capabilities, and a built in radio receiver ( for recording ) as well as as an
internal graphic equalizer ... it is well known in telephone company employee circles that
over 90% of the speech characteristics are in the audio passband of from around 300 cps
to 3000 cps, with a midrange peak at 1000 cps; so having some way to adjust the bass
while boosting the "speech frequencies" and perhaps also boosting the "high end" as well
for clarity, makes for better understanding, as well as compensating for duped audio from
video tapes, poor brodcasts, old TV sets, and cranky microphones ...

After cutting two traces to the playback head, and solder bridge jumping the reverse
switch to the head, as well as cleaning AND demagnetizing, I was ready to record ...
The boom box now plays back standard stereo, on one tape side, as it did before, as
well as plays in REVERSE by a simple tap of the auto-reverse switch ( or the end of
the tape - which ever occurs first ! )

Being quite interested in the NASA interview reversals ( http://www.reversespeech.com/
nasa.htm ), the first test was a cassette taping off-air of an interview with a N.A.S.A.
astronaut who was currently involved with the Mir Space Station, as aired locally by one
of the PBS affiliate FM stations here :


The astronaut said : " ( regarding safety procedures and accident policy ) ... They may
be blown out of proportions in other people's minds, ( but those of us working in the
program ... ) "

reversed says, "will be put on the shelf ... for now"


Actually NASA reversals are what prompted me initially to get involved in all this, and
yes, I "got" one ( reversal ) as well ... for my second test, I recorded myself with an
external microphone ( with pop screen - wind shield and on/off switch ) being inter-
viewed by a friend ...when asked about what I was going to do with all this new
technology ( reverse speech ) , I replied :


radioman - "I have no idea ..."

the reversal said, "How're you doing?"


I was now convinced there was something to all of this, as I had heard for myself!
Things like "sea boat", to my suprise, did not sound like "Toby's" in reverse ...
I was now ready to tackle the Strange Universe segment ... I did ask on the forum
about why I found it so easy to do ... an a possible explanation came back that all
my radio experience, in hearing conversations out of the noise, and hetrodynes
may have "sharpened" my ears a lot. Perhaps, but a better model might be short-
wave listening. Consider this : if you're sitting in front of a short-wave radio receiver
tuning around, and happen upon a foreign language brodcast - you stop, re-tune
and pay carefull attention. First, you notice, like backwards speech playback, that it
doesn't sound like English, and then - with patience, and careful expectations and hopes
you try to identify who's voice it is, whether it's a newscast, or interview format, etc.
as you begin picking up clues ... and waiting for a single word, perhaps the next word
that's in English ... perhaps a proper name, or a high technology word, in English, or
the awaited station I.D. - in English - which gives the point of origin of the brodcast,
the station name, the country, and even remote transmitter location. It's this patient
expectation state of mind that "heightens" your awareness so that when a phrase,
or complete sentence appears suddenly, it pops right out at you the first time, with
perhaps several re-plays to write it all down correctly ... it's that easy ! Hours of this
type of "focused" listening, waiting for a few words, or phrase, is probably what has
helped me start out so successfully - and to have others listen as well, to verify what
I claim to hear in reverse playback ... I will leave the psychological explanations
as to the subconscious "lie detection" characteristics to the experts, like David
Oates ... I just know that it works ... and others hear what I do too !


"I think radioman meant that it doesn't take 15 hours a week of practice for
a HAM to learn to hear reversals. I have been a HAM for over 35 years and
heard reversals from the first recording I listened to. True, I got better,
and starting hearing even more after some experience, but by the time the
"Hobbyist" course finally arrived I didn't learn anything from it - re: hearing them.
I think my experiences as a "rare" country (VQ9DH Seychelles Islands) back in
the '60s was invaluable - pulling weak signals out of "pile-ups." Even CW (Morse
Code) DX (distant stations) was useful for one learns to focus on a certain tone
of a specific station and ignore the dozens of others that one hears simultaneously."

"Regards,"

"Dave Hunter"
"dave@thegrid.net"


The first test was to reverse the "reversals" on the Strange Universe interviews
to verify all was working well on my end ... the first clip :


NASA employee - said, "share a secret with NASA"

reversed back, says, " ... scientific research ... "


The second clip of audio, from President Clinton :


President Clinton said, "denounce this evil"

when reversed, says " ... will be suspended ... "


Convinced it was working O.K., I then went to the interviews :


David Oates #1 -- " ... no one would take us seriously ... "

reversed said, "real serious ... actually no one, eh?"


David Oates #2 -- " ... eh ... no one would take us seriously ..."

reversed again, said "real serious ... actually no one, eh"


David Oates #3 -- " ... ah ... like chemical ( fire ) ... "

reversed said, "house ... in connected"


David Oates #4 -- " ... ( I've been told by an ) arson investigator ... "

reversed said, "he says it's ... "


David Oates #5 -- " ... ( clearly we ) better get out ... "

reversed said, "I have a ... get it"


David Oates #6 -- " ... ( hidden thoughts ) just by analyzing ( their speech ) ... "

reversed, says "is all my opposites"


David Oates, later said " ... I cannot do this anymore ... "

reversed says, "all I mean - it's a real hurt"


All of David Oates' reversals were confirming of what he said, as were Fire Captain
Edward O. Deane :


Edward O. Deane said " ... the scenario that ( I was given ) ... "

reversed, said "I'm very certain"


Edward O. Deane also said " ... the scenario that, that I was given ... "

reversed, said "I'm very insistant"


and, " ... my investigation ( included that ) ... "

reversed, said "in a few weeks ... right now"


The 911 call : " ... the whole room is on fire ... "

reversed, was "have nothing but wall"


Unfortunately, Emmett Miller's comments were not so supporting. As someone who
hosted a local PBS radio show for three years, I will verify that Mr. Miller has the
utmost sense of professionalism, and objectivity - which is hard to do at times -
especially if the format of the boadcast restricts one to limit ones own personal
opinions ... with reservations, I post the following :


Emmett Miller said, about David Oates, "he says ... "

when reversed, says, "says he !"


Emmett Miller #2, said, " ... but he ( David Oates ) also turned a mic(rophone ... ) "

reversed says, "but from ... how to nurse this audio"


Emmett Miller #3, said, " ... so was Edward O. Deane ... "

reversed revealed, "he later makes a wuss !"


Other Emmett Miller comments included :


Emmett Miller #4, said, " ... David Oates ( expanded ) ... "

reversed, said "swear to Eden"


Emmett Miller #5, said, " ... standing amid the ruins ... "

reversed, said, "living in eggs"


Emmett Miller #6, said, " ... reverse speech seemed revolutionary ... "

reversed, said, "have released it's "sur" group"


Interpretation of the context and meanings of reversals can be debated, as well as
their "hidden meanings", but I contend, that the reversals themselves, cannot be
disputed. They are easily reproducible ...

To those who wouldn't spend a dime on books or software, as I didn't, and who are
skeptical of all this - I offer to you to take the challenge that I took ... try it out for
yourself and see what YOU get in listening to recorded speech backwards ... and you
just may find more than you can imagine !
Mr. Oates said in the interview that it would be a shame for this technology to die-out
even though it's use might be "dangerous" ... real science needs to be replicated
again and again and again ... so hold off on value judgements until you've at least
given it a try !


* AN UPDATE *


There has been a lot of things happening since I wrote this, not to mention
lots of e-mail ... and I've been doing many more reversals since that time ...
My friend Cindy has been interested in finding "backwards masking" examples
in old "rock and roll" albums on cassette - and in particular some old Queen
albums ... we still haven't found those, but a LOT of actual speech reversals
on the tapes. The religious songs, as David Oates suggested, contain some
reversals about God, and Freddie Mercury, in particular, has poetic sense
in his reversals too : "well now, this is my question ..." was one quite clear
reversal; and hints of his state of mind, like "Well, it's time" and the phrase
"one last goodbye", and even an "au revoir" were prevalent in songs of his
when played backwards, and : "God was angry ... oh God was angry", and "In
fact it was terrible ... more than once !", and "be free ... and be free in Him".
"See the Lord" and "Where are you ?" as repeated phrases throughout the song.
Some of the reversals reflect inner thoughts of Freddie Mercury, that we can try
to look at. In the song, 'These Are The Days of Our Lives', there were two short
reversals worth looking at :


Queen : "( These ) are the days of our lives ...",
reversed to, " I love all teenage desires"


Queen : " ... when I find ... ",
reversed to, "you are a faggot"


In the song, 'These Are The Days of Our Lives' , the following reversals were found :
"take a listen" ... "you are a faggot" ... "I love all teenage desires" ... "Oh, I think
I have piss in it" ... "hell yeah, this is my quest" ... "it's a shadow" ... "the source of
the riddle" ... "I should have you" ... "more than once, yeah" - total reversals.


I have included excerpts from David Oates' book at the very end of this webpage
to furthur explain about reversals and their categories, and some recent comments.

Still surprised at the Emmett Miller reversals, I wondered about content - it
seems that some reversals are mirrors of what's said forewards, some reversals
are opposites, and others are "less clear". I am fortunate to find more of these
kinds of reversals, which show the person who's speaking state-of-mind at the
time, as well as related thoughts about how they are "delivering" it as well ...
the following examples, out of many, from Hillary Clinton fits this type :


"Child Care in America" - speech at University of Maryland - by Hillary Clinton


Here are a few excerpts from that speech, one which was given with enthusiam
about a topic that Hillary Clinton cares about - and was read as a prepared speech:


Hillary Clinton - " ... social problems (that for years held us back are receeding) ... "

reversed, was "as I have said, officer ... it's a marvelous choice"


Another reversal was :


Hillary Clinton - " ... (will) demand higher (saleries) ..."

reversed, was "very often I am"


with the occasional comment, "the're right !"


Hillary Clinton - " ... because all sectors of society ... "

reversed, was "the analysis wizzard has all"


Hillary Clinton - " ... from the childcare facility and the caregivers, who ..."

reversed, was "survey great ... and now you know it's a great flash !"


Hillary Clinton - " ... will help us (chart that frontier) ..."

reversed, was "some will help"


Hillary Clinton - " ... we've already discussed (affordability) ..."

reversed, was "start sending all of you"


Hillary Clinton - " ... and I hope that (it's focus on the three key areas) ..."

reversed, was "the people had it"


Hillary Clinton - " ... also made a commitment to childcare ... "

reversed, was "game's under assult"


Hillary Clinton - " ... (so that) the generations (of children to come) ... "

reversed, was "share relationship"


Hillary Clinton - "one of the commanders theres was what happens before good
child care in the military. I heard about a mother and a father ..."

reversed, was "very long ... very long ... but I'd better h(urry) ... there is no one
... that might help. So where is YOUR name ?"


Hillary Clinton - " ... (in a place like a school or library) or some other setting
(that is good for them) ..."

reversed, was "man, it sure is a hostile year"


So far, I have found, in general, that radio brodcasts usually make poor material
for reversals - being nothing more than someone reading news copy ...

I did find a very short audio clip interview with a girl who was asked all about
her fellow classmate who had just returned to school after being in a coma for
three months following an automobile accident. When asked if she was happy
for her friend being named Homecoming Queen, at Newport Harbor High School,
which she was; the homecoming princess said :


Marcilla Pinzue - ( reversed ), said " ... Nay, fly with me ... he's just dancin' in it ...
has to ... the need to go sing it ... send he ... by healer ... goes show, open it up ... "



"I marveled at the way reversals were very short and fast, written into the musical
tones of reversed gibberish or the high frequencies of speech. They were majestic
choruses of total consciousness sometimes sounding like the voices of angels, other
times like demons from the depths of hell." - David Oates




President Clinton Reversals - CSPAN on 11/21/97


On November 21st, 1997 there was a live press conference from the White House
in which several short topics, and presentations were made ... President Clinton was
talking about new legislation concerning the FDA ... the following occured :


Commentator : "We now take you live to the East Room of the White House ..."

reversed, said, "ah, hell with 'em"


President Clinton, said, "Thank You ..."

reversed, said, "beat me up"


President Clinton's phrase, "(the) FDA"

reverses each time to, "yeah, you pay (it)"


President Clinton, said, " ... as everybody knows, (this bill) ..."

reversed to, "I'll be right to say it"


President Clinton, said, " ... higher responcibility not only to the FDA, ..."

reversed, said, "Yeah, you pay you this and I'm going to 'live' this office around"


President Clinton, said, "There are new challenges to food safety ..."

reversed, said, "yes, near to the decision"


President Clinton, said, " ... they had to go down and buy the food (from sombody
else) ..." - reversed, was, "by tonite, I'll get ahead"


President Clinton, said, " ... farm to the city, and makin' a living in factories ... "

reversed, said, " ... so you're half in the middle of the government ... yes it is ...
more often ... "


President Clinton, said, " ... Congressman Dingle for the work ..."

reversed, said, "that girl was awful hidden ... "


President Clinton, said, " let me first of all thank the (vice president) ... "

reversed, said, " ... the alcohol can serve me up"


President Clinton, said, "The FDA has always set the gold standard for consumer
safety ... " reversed, said, " ... Yessir ... your next law ... your best of your laws
... and yeah, you PAY it !"


President Clinton, said, " ... that will serve America well into the 21st century ... "

reversed, said, "Lloyd will hear a reversal in it"
- Who's Lloyd ? - ed.

lastly, another strange reversal, which said, "You're right, in it may 'ravine' in all of
this ... Elroy, the thing is ... "
- Who's Elroy ? and what's a 'ravine' ? - ed.



The following post by radioman on 11/4/97 -- Re : CIA / KGB Reversals


Hi from radioman :

In a recent CSPAN interview with David Murphy, ex-CIA and Sergei Kondrashev,
ex-KGB ; the new book publisher would have you think that these former adversaries
from over 40 years active service in the "cold war" from it's inception,
are now friends ... think again. True, they sat next to each other for an hour and
a half to promote their co-collaborative effort, a new cold war days book, but the
cooperation may have been more in the mind of the publisher than anyone else !
The book was assembled from recently released doccuments from both sides, with
these two to "tie" it together and fill in the historical blanks ... what did
they really think ?

Reversals from Sergei Kondrashev said things like, reversed, "too lienient"
and "sleezy" ... David Murphy, retired CIA official,said even more : reversed,
like "we are foolish", "not sure whether we have it", and "it
hasn't always ...". One particularly good one, forewards, said, "Well, I think
to some extent, we ..." when reversed, said, "You mustn't get yellow".
It was clear from the reversed bantering, that the cold war tensions still run high, after
40 - 49 years in the respective services, and if you would like to hear these, and the
other reversals, a video tape from CSPAN, concerning the "about books"
segment is available. Keep informed, and keep out of "trouble" - the
"company" is not known for a sense of humor !

73's radioman


You can check out David Oates' explanations for reversals below - one thing is
for sure - a lot of information is contained in audio reversals, and this area does
seem to be calling out for more research, and more investigators ! Might YOU be
one of them ?


The following explanation posted by Margie on 10/23/97 :


"It ( reversals with different meanings from the same words ) happens
because the reverses are made from the totality of the sounds which
make up the speech. The reverses are sometimes more influenced by
the actual words themselves turned backwards, which is where we here
coincedental reversals."

"Parts of words backwards can also join in to make up reverses as part
of the totality of the sound coming through the vocal chords. Non coin-
cedental reversals happen from the chorus of air hitting the vocal chords
in individualized ways which make the reversals."

"This could be why babies don't need control of actual muscles because
the reversals are made up of the CHORUS of sounds. This gives the un-
concious the tools to mold sound into words. This is mostly my opinion,
or the way I understand what DJO says happens."


Margie Chavious :
chavious@alaska.net
An RS Forum Post on 10/23/97



More Strange Universe Reversals :



Hi from radioman :

While banished from the "Art Bell" forum, I'm glad to be still welcome
out here in the company of fine minds like Stephen Hawking ! The following audio
reversal from Dr. Charles Tart, at UNLV, said, forewards : "(Dean Radin) is
one of the leading parapsychologists in the world ... (he has done very high quality
work ...)". When reversed, says, " ... tore open the decision to lock an S.R.I.
meeting, you know what I'm saying ?"

In reference to yesterday's story on that "alien corpse" - we have more :
First, Emmett Miller seemed quite happy with the story, and the exclusive !
"... unsolicited", reversed to, "and listen, listen up !" and the
comments, " no one knew what to make of it", reversed to, "never
again, must know who".

The two video producers said, reversed, " ...I will not view it ... must nourish
... I am in this ... see you mustn't ... you're handed - an alias ... it, you handed ...
you right ... you know it ... is similar ... " As well as reversals, " ... This
year, with us, it "wolf's" out ... none of her from me, but ah ..." and "
There will be a feed method ... will unravel ... this old camera".

In closing, without judging the meanings of their reversals, Emmett Miller in particular
seemed to "want to believe" when he clearly said, reversed, that
"it is alien beings who will". More updates at the link below, and keep
watching Strange Universe !

73's radioman



In another recent Strange Universe story, about Deborah Wolfe, "the Electric Woman",
it is interesting to note that when the commentator mentioned her name, reversed, was
"flow perfect" ... Investigator Hillary Evans said, "We will find an answer", which was,
reversed, "This mind ... I'll follow it !". Deborah herself said, "... sucking out their
energy", when reversed, says, "I'm wearing it". She also said, "it only happens ...",
reversed, says, "with my "He" light" ...

Not just in the Strange Universe segments - reversals are everywhere. In a 2 hour
psychic reading I had, on tape, I said, reversed, that I was "nervous" ... which was
followed by, reversed, "It's O.K." ... although I still can't find the question to which
the answer was, reversed, "Nine is this many" ...



* Edgar Mitchell lying ? - speech reversals ... *


The Strange Universe Forum


Posted by 'radioman' on Wednesday, 26 November 1997, at 11:28 a.m.

Hi from radioman :

Is astronaut Edgar Mitchell lying ? The speech reversals are inconclusive, but he
does know more than he is saying !

Mitchell : "The evidence that I have seen, to date, suggests that we have been
visited ... ( by ETs )",

reversed to, "This is it ... that you, the size of this ... listen all about you !"

Mitchell : on cattle mutilations - "I say this is a clandestine group doing this ... ",

reversed to : "Well I nourish your ... rather know it ... yes, I knew it"

and Mitchell : "It is likely an ET activity ... in these amounts, ( likely not ) ... ",

reversed, was "I believe it ... now visit"

Perhaps if more interviews were conducted on Edgar Mitchell, we might have
more revealed ... he, at least, knows more than he is saying.

73's radioman

http://seasurf.com/~radioman/speech.html






In responce to e-mail questions concerning inexpensive ways to get into trying out
reverse speech for one's self; with the shortage of old "cassette" boom boxes at the
local garage sale haunts, I tried, with good success, to modify a new "walkman"
style cassette player recently purchased at a local department store to "play
backwards" ... the following account is for those do-it yourself types with *NO*
electronics knowledge necessary for the basic conversion !

In the old Sony "boom box" conversion, it was necessary to cut wires and traces
as well as solder switch jumpers to electrically switch playback heads - In this
simple conversion of the "walkman" style portable cassette player, whose total
purchase price, new, retail is $10 , you can make a couple mechanical modifications !

This cassette model is a "Sports" by GPX. ( Gran Prix Electronics, 1 Sandy Lane,
High Hill, MO 63350 USA ) - a new product, readily available, with "auto-reverse".
This clone, made in Hong Kong, appears as a current "waterproof" yellow model ,
which "looks" like a "walkman". Upon opening the unit, one will see three small
screws that need to be removed to expose the interior. Once inside, observe that,
unlike other "auto-reverse" players, this unit has a single stereo playback head
that mechanically "slides" back and forth, on "rails", to opposite ends of the tape
width ! To allow playback, it is not necessary to do ANY internal electronics mods.
but rather, using a single sided razor blade, or X-acto hobby knife, to remove the
plastic end of a pivot shaft to allow tweezer removal of the hairpin spring that "levers"
the head back and forth across the tape travel width ! This same stereo ( 2 coil )
head plays the tape in both directions ... simple ! The hairpin spring is the only one
touching the sliding head, and is connected by a moving cam to "reverse" the head.
All of these parts need remain, including the dual capstan and pinch rollers, etc. to
operate as before - except for the hairpin spring. The moving part still remains in
place in order to help hold in the tape head, and, in fact, this would be the total mod.
necessary, except that in moving the unit, the head can and will change positions ...
Using two drops of "Liquid Nails" plastic glue, or model cement, applied on both
sides of the head to prevent it from moving and stay in the bottom ( flush ) position.
If correctly glued in place ( it takes over an hour to dry, preferably longer ) the head
and rail assembly will be flush with the bottom housing ( held initially by gravity ) on
one side, and be resting on the factory pre-set head alignment screw adjust on
the other side. It's as if the head "never" moved from it's foreward play position
at all ! The "auto-reverse" mode is gone, and it now plays backwards ...

All that does change is now the "auto-reverse" switch lever is a "backwards"
play lever, so to now play the reverse side of the tape, as in any non-reversing
player, you need to remove and "flip over" the cassette ... The unit will work
VERY well with fresh alkaline batteries ( 2 "AA"s ), and a QUALITY pair of new
headphones, such as the top-of-the-line mini-headphones at Radio Shack (such
as the Pro-25 portable headphones at $ 39.95) in case after you've looked around,
and you didn't already find that you had a really good pair of headphones ! The
combination of poor bass responce, typical of small portable cassette players, as
well as not much "high end" ( remember it's $10 not $70 ) makes it IDEAL for the
normal speech frequencies, and it's not too bad on playback of all pre-recorded
music tapes with good headphones plugged in !

If you're feeling like this wasn't enough of a project to satisfy you, and you
really need to get out that soldering iron, you CAN add a pair of wires with an in-
line connector to the unit's battery connection posts - which would give you
something external to connect a 3 VDC power supply to and eliminate the batteries
altogether ! I'm now using a "new" one - a 3 VDC power "cube" adapter with 700 ma.
current rating, and voltage regulated for NO hum - available at Radio Shack. Just in
case you are really the handiman, you might want to continue on, in order to defeat
the "end-of-tape" auto-reverse tension sensor mode as well. On all "reversing" style
cassete recorder/players, there are times when a particular tape is "wound too tight",
and the auto-reverse will trip during the playback of a tape, with the unit thinking it
was the end of that tape ... perhaps this is why so few auto-reverse units are still
manufactured anymore ! Note that the quality of the GPX cassette player has not
been minimized in any way by the changes ... If you want a home "studio quality"
stereo player, it might be best to start with such a unit ...

For the audio purists, it should be noted that with NO electrical mods. done -
that the L/R channels are "swapped". This happens because when "reversing"
a normal cassette, the tracks are reversed too, so the internal DPDT switch needs
to "swap" the L/R head coils as well. You can jump/bypass the head switch, which
is located on the left internally if need be. If this is a problem on mono recordings,
you can fix it by simply switching the headphones around on your head, or better :
use a mic. adapter ( a "Y" cable ) to provide a single microphone signal to BOTH of
the L/R inputs when recording ... and all this assumes that you have another
cassette deck somewhere capable of recording to make the tapes you'll be
listening to BACKWARDS on your new "walkman" style portable player.

I decided to "sacrifice" one of these players to total disassembly - and hopefully to
see its "inner workings" ... the thing that bugs me about ALL auto-reverse units,
regardless of price, is that occasional "reverse" of tape direction when it's really not
called for - and it's never because of the end-of-tape situation ... when doing a lot
of frequent "reversals" to try to catch the exact words, etc. you're really stretching
the tape and winding it tightly - so no wonder that it's changing directions at all of
the places you've spent a lot of time "reversing" before ... with the external power
supply, and along with its solid voltage and even better audio now; my only complaint
of the $10 unit is that darned "tension" sensor that reverses the tape direction - so
much so, that it's even a more important mod. for a lot of use than Kevin's resistor
voltage drop idea to slow down playback speed - and that's to stop the tension
sensor entirely !

After completely taking it apart again by removing three more tiny screws, and taking
out the entire motor/gear assembly partially, to see behind it - the answer was clear :
the large "flywheel" device in the rear middle ( it's the only one with no gear teeth, nor
drive belts ) has a pawl device that "rides the grove" like a phonograph arm on a
record ... or perhaps looks more like one of those small plastic "child proof" medicine
bottle tops, and nearly as menacing ! This lever arm rides in the groved channel in the
flywheel ... simply pull & lift it up slightly, and move it to the left; so that the "arm" now
stayes "outside" of the flywheel - like placing that record arm beyond the outer rim of
the record - so NO contact is made at all. Oddly enough, there are few other ill effects
incurred - the "reverse" ( backwards ) lever still works manually, but the "tension" sensor
is now completely disabled, which was the goal ! The speed "governor" mechanism that
this was part of is also somewhat disabled ( oops ! ) but hardly noticable, since it's only
missing the added "drag" of that arm, and the SLIGHT speed/pitch increase can be fixed
by now adding a 2 watt 10 ohm value series resistor in-line with the positive (red) lead
wire going either to the internal batteries, or the external power "cube" - now the drop
in voltage across the series limiting resistor will reduce the playback speed by 2 or 3
percent - thus fixing the problem ... and as an extra bonus of using the series voltage
dropping resistor on the power supply, instead of just the motor, you now have a very
fine speed adjustment as well - the louder you set the playback volume for the head-
phones, the "slower" ( by a slight fine amount ) the playback ! Remember that the nice
waterproof seal around all of the buttons, is now loose, mainly because they "glued"
all the buttons into it when they assembled it ! Being careful to not fully remove the
mechanics completely should leave the button's seal intact ...

While I don't expect most people to add on external power supplies, nor disassemble the
entire unit to disable the "tension" sensor, I needed to know just how easily that it
could be done, and see how well it can really work so now, I might actually try the series
resistor "variable speed control" idea of Kevin's - why not - it already has a wire harness
hanging outside and "funky" rubber buttons which seem a little loose, but still work well ...
Since it found reversals on previously "exhausted" tapes , I don't care too much what
it looks like, or how many "crazy" mods. I've made to it - it's works, cost $10 new, and
taught me more than I ever wanted to know, and shows that there are MANY ways you
to do this. With all the great results I'm getting so far, it's nearly as much "fun" as
building radio gear from "scratch" - and Grandma might want one for Christmas too !

With frequent e-mail asking about other small "quality" cassette recorders that can
be converted too, I visited the local stores to look around. There are many models of
those "auto-reverse" portables available, though more than $ 10 ! So if you have
some electronics ability, and are wanting a "better" walkman, then I would suggest,
the AIWA TX 456 ! This one would take more knowledge to convert than the $ 10
"walkman"... the new AIWA isn't THE most expensive "auto-reversing" player around,
but lots higher quality in a portable for those not wanting that $ 10 "cheap" version,
perhaps anticipating a LOT more daily use ... as I'm still "field testing" the Sports by GPX
- with the external power supply and tension mods. - we'll see how well it holds up !

David Oates says that it is best to avoid "clipped" or "processed" audio for reversals
since RS is "subtle" and can be lost - it is best to be as "close to the origional" in
recordings, as possible ... with the "highs" containing a lot of the reverse information
especially the "sing song" tonal qualities ... well, I can say for certain that the small
walkman, without the equalizer, amp, and speakers of the "boom box", can provide
nearly four times as many reversals on playback of the same cassette ! I'm sure that
the headphones help, but this is only for recordings I've made - high quality music on
cassette tape works the same on either playback device - so observe high quality
procedures on recordings ! Perhaps some recent claims by others that computer -
based RS can play even more , might actually have some validity ! I was deciding
at this point that it was time for more hobbiest experimentation ! The question of any
RS results varying from person to person was one thing --- but hearing different results
with the same exact cassette tape, and the same pair of "ears" was quite another !

I now have three playback devices, & several sets of headphones. The headphones
vary in cost from a few dollars to those $ 150. pair of Sony Digital Studio Headphones.
If David is correct, and I believe that he is, it would make sense that the best, & most
expensive headphones would work the best ... while the large studio headphones do
sound the best for music, the best headphones out of all of them were the second
best at $ 39.95 from Radio Shack - the "mini" walkman ones, with very high fidelity !
Not that I hear any less reversals with the "best" headphones, they sound the same
to me -- but I find that the 'enhanced' bass is distracting -- in fact you can test this
too by turning off that "bass boost" switch, and hear the difference for yourself !
Next were the standard headphones that come with any walkman, but they had an
extended bass responce as well ! David claims that the reversals are in the "highs"
so those expensive Radio Shack ones with excellent treble, and, like all small 'phones,
with poor bass, were best ... I suppose that's where the need for the "bass boost" add-
itional circuitry came from - small headphones move "less air", but for speech reversals
it's preferable anyway ...

Now with the best headphones determined, I went on to modify my third, and best tape
player, the AIWA 'walkman". Better than the 'boom box', and even higher quality, and
more reversals on the same cassettes than the $ 10. GPX one, the AIWA model number
HS-TX 456 is clearly the best ! I chose to tackle this particular one since it "looks like" a
cassette recorder that David Oates has, modified, over the Internet ( AIWA HS-JS 445 ).
Clearly it's the best player of the three, and what I use now for all reversals. It was only
$ 39.95 at my local Costco store, & modified well with the same cutting traces/ wires
and soldering switch jumpers as the Sony 'boom box' mods - with the active side of the
4-track head being furthist back inside of the walkman, ( like GPX ) so that forewards
play on the buttons actually works right, and the reverse switch actually "reverses" ...

Unfortunately, this was a "don't try this at home" project. The unit, unlike the GPX, is
crammed with surface-mount circuitry, and highly compacted, with the digital radio and
all - very difficult to open up, and nearly impossible to put back together ! Being similar
to the 'approved' RS unit of RS Enterprises, it's really worth whatever they charge for all
the mods. - as I nearly ruined the case, couldn't ever get that cassette door spring back
exactly right, had a 'left over' adhesive-backed copper foil ground strap, two broken
small motor wires, and "variable speed" playback after the first re-assembly when I
either shook the unit, or squeezed the back which doubled the playback speed ! When
prying the case open, there is a lot of pressure on the main circuit board, since the
small earphone jack hangs up, and I ended up 'fixing' the problem by using only the
three plastic clamps to hold in the PC board, and leaving out the small metal screw
since I determined that this screw was 'tweeking' the entire board - and, no more of
those 'variable' speed, or double speed problems - unit repaired ! The mechanical
assembly under the electronics sub-assembly is even harder to get at, and you won't
be able to re-assemble the "play" button at all without 'double-sided' tape to hold it
in place temporarily - and the tape head has to be entirely removed, screw, clamp &
all to even get to it when it's out of the case ! The switch, is where I soldered, but
had to de-magnitize the head before re-assembly, since it's hard to get to when done.
All-in-all, not a fun project, but was the best working player for reverse speech, and
clearly hearing more reversals on the same tapes, where I 'thought' that there might
be some, was like a person with poor vision, suddenly putting on a good pair of the
right perscription glasses ! What an improvement ! While I didn't come up with any of
the "great new discoveries" I might have hoped for, like David Oates, by doing more
and more experimentation, I am finding ways to maximize the results ... and this is only
so far, on the equipment side ... any methods to remove blinders - like skeptics not
wanting to "hear" any reversals; anything you CAN do, including therapy, grounding,
centering, becoming neutral, becoming more 'open-minded', less judgemental, no add-
itional "karma", etc. can only help with hearing reversals, and more of them, as you do
progress - and you will progress ! So I've validated some of David Oates' work by my
independent experiments, and might add that even if he moves back to Australia in
two years, as he says - there's always all those he has trained, all the books, etc.,
as well as the Internet, and I believe, that, all personalities aside, that if no one was
visibly doing any more research, that YOU, with only what I've collected on these web
pages, could probably carry on the work yourself - in that 'hobbiest' spirit, to keep
testing, and re-testing ... for I do believe that this is a real science, and it will progress
as science does, without any of us, as need be ...

An update : The new AIWA HS-TX456 cassette player is working REALLY well ... in
fact with four times as many reversals on the $10 GPX with headphones over the old
Sony 'boom box', the new AIWA "hears" more than twice as many reversals as the GPX
with the same headphones ! With the equipment "peaked" for frequency responce, and
low distortion, I even hear those partials with "non-english" words everyone's arguing
about the meaning of, and can write them out phoenetically - we're past the "hearing"
point now ... The audio frequency responce is so good that when audio dubbing from
video using a microphone ( direct patch cable is recommended ) that the video "whine"
from the horizontal oscillator at 15,575 Hz is heard loudly ! ... The final setup here is to
use these : 1) the AIWA TX 456, modified, and 2) the "best" Radio Shack 'Nova 45'
mini-headphones, and 3) A power adapter 'cube' - 3 VDC @ 700ma -w- regulation, the
# 273-1663 A -with an added series ( 5 ohm ) resistor, & with the appropriate plug-tip set
for polarity at a "negative tip" ( AIWA's choice ) ...
Again, the results on the two 'test' tapes, one an old Queen album, on cassette tape,
and the other the 'dubbed' Hillary Clinton speech, shows many more reversals than ever
before, but not on the other cassette players, and headphones due to the 'quality' and the
frequency responce ... and for music, with the stock AIWA headphones, with more bass
responce, it's only beaten by a full blown stereo system ! Not bad for a tiny portable unit
who's mission in life was to be a radio/cassette player for jogging !

In considering Mr. Oates dismissal of the 456s ( see following ), I've been asked about
the practicality of modifying the 456s for hobbiests over the Internet. While I haven't
as yet reached a decision, and really never wanting to see the inside of one of those
again ... I must admit, that for someone, it could be a good idea. With the $ 39.95 tag
from Costco, plus say $ 10 for packing/mailing costs, and say $ 40 for labor - which
hopefully after the first unit wouldn't take hours, and insure that if under the worst
case, that the $ 40 would pay for an additional "replacement" unit, at no charge, if
the mods. ended up a failure - that it might be worth doing, for someone, for $ 90 in
advance ... got too many projects myself to want to play internet 'capatalist' here ...


"How on earth did you manage to modify the 456s - they are a bugger of a machine
to modify - I rejected them months ago cos we destroyed more machines in the
process than we modified ... " - David ( Oates )

RS Forum Post 11/12/97


More To Come ...

73's ( best wishes )
radioman@seasurf.com





"I had an AIWA walkman style tape player with record and autoreverse that
I modified myself. I haven't added a speed modification as yet but it works
well for me. If I find a clip that I want to slow down for clarification I put it on
my computer and use Cool Edit."

"Some autoreverse players have a single direction head that rotates mechan-
ically. I've not tackled one of those yet, so this does not apply. A two head
( forward and reverse coils ) autoreverse is easy to modify. You need to figure
out which is the forward head with an ohmmeter at the fwd/rev switch or the
side A/B switch whichever applies. Then cut the conductors to the rev/b coil.
Then jumper the switch so that it turns on the forward coil in either position."

"So what you have done is disabled the rev ( or side b ) coil and made it so that
it can only use the fwd ( or side a ) coil regardless of direction."

"This applies only to the type of deck I have tried this on, and does not neces-
sarily apply to all. If you have good electronics knowledge you should be able
to figure it out. If you need help feel free to e-mail me. I am an electronics tech,
and have been successful doing this kind of thing for myself. No guarantees
though. You can save yourself a few bucks or end up with a pile of scrap."

<><><><>

"Bravo, radioman. It was only a matter of time ( until someone did this ).
It would be nice to have record and speed adjustments, but at this price and
skill level required, everyone can try it out for themselves! While not the
perfect reversal machine, it will be more than efficient in blowing your mind.
Then maybe you will justify going for the real deal."

<><><><>

"What I have been meaning to do instead is put in like a three position switch
with a resistor in series of each position to the motor for slow and slowest like
David's format. This may be better than a pot because your ear can get used to
the specific speeds. It would take some calibration. The pot might be fun though,
being able to fine tune it to the most obvious speed. So much to do so little time."

<><><><>

"IMHO, the dangers of projecting are much higher given this method, and
here's why. I'm sure most have heard it before."

"When dealing with the computer you are using short clips, no more than a
minute is practical without a HUGE hardrive, lots of RAM, ect. Given the
typical frequency numbers David has documented if this is a media clip, the
odds are probably fifty-fifty there isn't even a valid reversal there. But when
one sits down and listens to that same clip over and over, looping on shorter
sections, they will eventually project something into it."

"Tape reversal is a whole different ballgame. You don't find reversals, they
find you (thanks buckeye). The more detached you become the more they
leap out at you. The harder you listen the fewer they become. Its just like
discount appliances - volume volume volume.............."

"Once I have found it on tape, the computer is wonderful for verifying
syllables, consants, tempo changes preserving pitch, etc. But until you can
store hours of recording on your computer, it's no good for the necessary
bulk listening."

"This is only my experience."

"Kevin Larson"
"67kevin@foxinternet.net"





The following was posted on the Cosmic Society Forum on 11/1/97 :


Hi from radioman :


Well the results are in : Donna Quinn was telling the truth,
entirely believable, and sincere ! And host Maury Povich was
quite skeptical as well ! Hello, and welcome to "reverse
speech", a new investigative tool that anyone can use to
test the "truth" and hidden meanings in spoken words.
I'll not dwell on the details, since David Oates' methods and
website were posted here before. I will include a link at the end
to my expanding "reversals" web page ( 19 pps + ) ...
It is sufficient to say that these recorded audio reversals from
the Maury Povich brodcast can be tested and verified by anyone
who cares to do so. There has been law enforcement usage of these
techniques as well, so on to the results !

Maury : "O.K. Shall we take a look and see what happened ..."
when played, backwards, revealed "let's take a look at YOU"


Donna : "Yes, they show up in my film ...",
reversed, was "have no bullshit"


Donna : "Ah, upstate New York ... ", reversed, was,"it's ah ... up"


Donna : "Bright, clear, sunny day ..." reversed,
was, "I've been all serious with you"


Donna : "what you'll see next ...", reversed to,"I am easily, oh ..."


Donna : "We had just been in a little cemetary ...",
reversed to, "so had in a position"


Donna : "back to what we call a globule ...",
reversed to, "no evil tap"


Donna : "( I never go by myself ), first of all ...",
reversed to, "officer"


Donna : "came from a haunted cemetary ...",
reversed to, "There is no message. No haunt and laugh at me"


Donna : "you're welcome", reversed to, "welcome"


Donna : "The negative's been analysed ... ",
reversed to, "see how, like, it could possibly begin ..."


and Maury : "really", reversed to, "see you later" -
which is interesting that another person's reversal was "hello" ...


There were two christian references in Donna's speech
reversals, one to "eloheim" and the other to
"savior". I'll not comment on those symbolic metaphors
now, but Donna came across as sincere and religious too.
Interesting that the "hidden" conversation, in reverse
was all about Donna's credibility, and sincerity, and Maury's
skepticism. If anyone picked up on those vibes, they may be been
influenced subliminally by the reverse speech conversations and
"elaborations". Lies always, according to Oates, come
out opposite in reversals. It's still years away from common
usage now, with only 5,000 of us nationwide using "reverse
speech" as an analyist's tool, but like everything else, it
will eventually be refined, and more widely used. To see more
examples of reversals I found see :

http://seasurf.com/~radioman/speech.html

Donna passed with flying colors :) Did we ever doubt it ?


73's radioman



And the reply ...


From: Donna Quinn

Category: Miscellaneous

Date: 11/2/97

Time: 11:02:22 AM

Remote Name: 129.37.126.96



Comments



WOW Radiodude! Now THAT was cool! I knew that I have been
honest with everyone concerning the photos and MY belief in them,
but you never know how your subconscious mind is going to behave!
(Espescially mine..) I love the "have no bullshit"
reference, as these are words that would easily roll right off my
tongue and apparently my subconscious mind thinks and speaks the
same! Too funny! Am interested in where the religious references
showed up? Its funny about Maury's skepticism too because there
was more to the segment that got cut where he asked "how do
you know if your haunted?" and I replied with light little
things such as hearing footsteps, items disappearing and
reappearing, knockings, etc and I said "Does this ever
happen to you Maury?" and he laughed and said "Only
when Connie's around"..showing himself to be a
disbeliever..but the minute the cameras were off he came over
shook my hand and said "I live in a very old house known to
be haunted" I said Oh, where? And he replied "The
Dakota" (as if I knew where he lived..as if I'm some Maury
stalker or something! I had no idea where the guy lived!) Anyway
he took my business card and that was that..but it was such a
difference on camera and off. I think nobody wants to go through
the ridicule of confessing to believing in spirits..believe me
theres so much of it out there that it can be discouraging..and
like you said it seems that everything revolves around
credibility, I spend more time defending the photos and
negatives, our motives, etc..that I have decided to make a new
page on the website just for all the skeptics.. On this page I
will post many of the rude, crude and other letters sent to
Cosmic with my replies..I will no longer answer this type of
e-mail directly..they will be directed to the skeptic page..I can
only say and write the same things over and over again so many
times you, know? Well radioman, I appreciate you taking the time
to record and reverse the show..maybe I'll put these results up
on that skeptic page too!

Regards~ Donna


Hi from radioman :

Serious interpretations of results lately - here's an RS challenge, but first a story :

Back in my old ham radio days, we had a station's callsign that was ***PHE, and
everyone SWORE it was ***PAG ! There were more instances of "trained ham ears"
getting that one wrong ... I propose a theory ( good or bad ) that if you get one of
these in a reversal, try to interpret it in CONTEXT - here's what I mean. Sure, we
all think we know what we hear, and we can be wrong, but consider this - in one
reversal I heard "Cindy", my girlfriend's name ... it was familiar, and the first thing I
heard. The entire long reversal made perfect sense, except for "Cindy" - in context,
it could only have been "send he" - very close ! This worked in context, but again,
while many say that "interpreting results" changes them to reflect us, rather I propose
that, in context, you can throw out your "favorite" sounds in favor of the real ones ...
any thoughts ?

73's radioman


Interpreting reversals are very tough. Some sounds can be heard in different ways,
both forwards and reverse. This has often caused many conflicts in conversation.
You said this, no I didn't I said that - both parties being convinced that each is right.
Normally we compensate for these instances of mishearing, by interpreting in context,
or drawing from our own experience. So - having stated that - this is a common phen-
omenon in forward speech - we can look at its occurrence in reverse speech without
fear or threat that our examination will challenge the credibility of reverse speech.
You take any short section of forward speech and dump it three different speeds and
play it for people, you will get different people hearing different things - do this with
difficult audio - like ham radio signals (small sections dunmped at three speeds) - the
misinterpretations get even worse. This is where most people go wrong in RS. They
isolate a small section of speech and play it backwards, over and over again, trying
to make it fit or work. This is the first mistake! Any sounds, forwards or backwards, or
even sights, will twist and manipulate in ones to any variety of different sounds or
images. To truly hear RS, you hear it context of the entire sounds of tape. Hear the
reversal FIRST before you try to make something fit. The real art is to hear it holo-
graphically, let the flow emerge from the gibberish as a wave on an ocean - exper-
ience the wave as a whole rather than dissect the ripples. If you initially hear rever-
sals this way, you are far more likely to hear them accurately and completely. Then try
and refine it - then listen for the consonants and the vowels and syllables etc. to
check your findings. I KNOW it is possible to get a consistency of documentation. I
have take a group of twenty different ( people ) all of whom heard totally different
things on the same tape, and came up with completely different conclusions - - - AND
within twelve months trained into hearing almost the same reverals (word for word) half
(50% of the time) and coming up with the SAME conclusions 90% of the time. The point
being - you are asking the wrong question. This is my biggest concern currently. It is
possible to hear genuine reversals constantly and consistenly if you know how - and in
this process most people will hear them mostly the same way. The difficulty comes when
people are trying to make sounds fit into any random section of gibberish, which most
new people do (no offense intended, its just the way it is). Anyway, I'm rambling. Bottom
line. Yes, people mishear reversals. Genuine reversals have a distinct tonal quality to
them but it takes time to learn how to find them. I think the real question is? How can
people be encouraged to let go of their insistence to hang onto what is not there, and
be shown how to hear what is there ????? How can the learning process be speeded
up?? What other criteria can be discovered to further clarify the inaccuracies???

- David ( Oates )


<><><><><><>


"We thus come to the first of many observations about this
phenomenon that I noted in the first years of research. There
were intricate relationships between the forward and reversed
phrases as well as a definite structure and form to the reversed
phrases. The most significant of these relationships was the
fact that the forward and reverse would usually relate to each
other. The subject matter of the forward would be the subject
matter of the reverse."

"It takes an incredible amount of time to analyze tapes for
speech reversals. At that early stage in 1987 one thirty
minute tape would take me three or four days to analyze
thoroughly. Consequently I would spend hundreds of hours
at my desk with headphones on, listening to tapes, making
notes. This process would include the following steps."

"(1) First I would do an initial run through of the tape backwards
only and prepare a preliminary transcript of the reverse phrases."

"(2) This was followed by a second run through of the tape from
beginning to end, checking for reversals as I went by rapidly
switching between forward and reverse directions."

"(3) A more detailed transcript was then prepared, initial reversals
checked, more reversals found, and sections of the forward
dialogue transcribed."

"(4) Then I did a final third run through and checked all my results."

"(5) The transcripts were then analyzed and complementary
relationships were determined."

"(6) Finally I began to conduct a precise time count of all reversals
from the beginning of the tape to the end."


"The first of these observations grew
out of the principle of speech complementarity. I knew that the
forward and reverse would usually relate to each other, yet I
also knew that these relationships were not necessarily congruent.
For example the reverse phrase could sometimes contradict the
forward phrase or it might say the same thing. I divided the different
types into several separate categories of complementary relationships.
I called these The Categories Of Reverse Speech."


"(1) Sometimes reversals would confirm
what was being said forwards, saying the same thing with different
words. I called these Congruent reversals. On rare
occasion, I would find reversals that said the same thing in exactly
the same words! I found these examples fascinating, especially
when they were six or seven words long."


"(2) Then there were Contradictory
reversals
These reversals were incongruent and contradicted
what was said forward. In time, I began to understand that it was
the reverse statement that was the correct, or true, statement."


"(3) Expansive reversals were
reversals that added additional information and expanded upon
the forward speech. They would insert facts that were left out
either wittingly or unwittingly from the forward dialogue. They
also showed hidden motive and agenda behind the things that were
said in forward speech."


"(4) Internal Dialogue reversals
showed actual thoughts the person was having at the time of speaking.
Sometimes these reversals would show internal conversations that
someone was having with themselves. For example, if part of you
wanted to go out for the evening but another part of you wanted
to stay at home, the entire struggle might appear backwards as
a dialogue with self."


"(5) External Dialogue speech
reversals were specifically directed out to others in the form
of requests, commands, questions and conversations. Have you ever
thought something else was going on underneath the conversation?
For example, boy meets girl and they talk about the weather but
we all know what they were really talking about. Sometimes I would
find an entirely different conversation backwards than what was
happening forwards."


"(6) Lead and Trail reversals
would occur that said something several seconds or even minutes
before or after the same thing was said forwards. Have you ever
had the feeling that you have said something before? Or, you know
that someone is just not "letting something go". You
were probably quite right. It was just all happening backwards.
Or maybe you have been about to say something but someone else
said it first. Possibly you thought, "Gee. I was just about
to say that." You were probably experiencing the action of
Trail and Lead reversals starting a conversation before it started
and continuing it after it has finished."


"(7) Eventually I found a category of
speech reversals that initially had me puzzled. I called these
Comparative reversals. I had originally called them Non-related
because they seemed to have no relationship whatsoever with what
was being said forwards. They annoyed me because they were the
only hole in my theory of Speech Complementarity. It wasn't until
a couple of years later that I finally saw the relationship. It
was emotional. These reversals talked about events in someone's
life, or detailed statements, that had exactly the same emotion
as that being expressed forwards. Someone might say forwards that
they had a bad day at work and then say backwards that they had
a flat tire last week, or even talk about Fred Jones who they
didn't like at the supermarket two years ago. The complementarity
was not in the words. It was in the emotions. I breathed a sigh
of relief. Not only was my theory intact but it added an even
greater dimension to complementarity."


"The next observation was one relating
to grammar and linguistic structure. I noticed that many reversals
had a standard structure, usually between two and five consecutive
words in a single sentence. However there were those reversals
that obviously deviated from this. I noted all these different
forms and called them The Structures Of Reverse Speech".


"(1) There were Long sentences.
Not very often, but sometimes, I would find reversals of staggering
length. There were perfectly formed, long flowing sentences that
could be up to fifteen or twenty words long sometimes with two
three sentences in the one reversal."


"(2) Then there were Single words.
I was very suspicious of single words backwards. They could easily
be explained by random occurrence. In time, though, I began to
feel safe about documenting certain types of single words such
as the expression of an emotion or an external command."


"(3) Cause and Effect reversals had
a unique grammatical structure that was very common to find backwards.
They usually consisted of two sentences that related to each other.
They would frequently make a statement a fact and then suggest
a course of action. For example: Book. Please read it
or Pain. Let it go."


"(4) Sentence Building reversals were
amazing and helped dispel any lingering doubts I still had about
all this. The forward and reverse would combine to form a complete
sentence. For example: "...I think they should eradicate
all the crime in [ Washington DC ]."
Reverse Is the
capitol of America.
The words Washington DC represents
the actual forward words where the reversal might occur. They
would thus expand upon complementarity yet again by reversing
to create another sentence all together. "Washington DC
is the capitol of America."



"(5) Mirror Image reversals similarly
defied the imagination. The forward and reverse would be a mirror
image of each other. For example: "I love my husband very
much".
Reverse: I love my husband very much."


"(6) Finally came Semi-formed reversals:
Nearly all reversals I was documenting were well-defined. They
were separated from the gibberish and it was very obvious where
they began and finished. However some reversals disappeared into
the gibberish. They would always begin very clearly but the last
word simply vanished. This was frustrating especially when it
said something like "The plans are in the...""


"As I formulated categories and structures,
I noted that certain people tend to run the same type of reversal
structures. For example, someone may have a majority of long sentences
or sentence building reversals. Then came other significant findings."

by David John Oates - It's Only a Metaphor : c1996


  • It's Only A Metaphor


    " ... We have 14 years of data to draw on now, with a wide cross section of
    input from many different people. As more metpahors are documented and the
    case studies continue to grow, so will both the analytical data and interpretation.
    Also, we now have more than just "ears"; and opinions to draw on as well - we
    have already located the unique wave pattern signature of speech reversals on
    computers, and they are now automatically locating some (not all) speech reversals.
    This is a major step forward and moves RS more into the technological side. I think
    much of the subjectivity of hearing occurs because of the different way we all hear,
    and with RS particularly the gibberish can many times become a mirror for our own
    unconscious. This side of has always fascinated me, but it makes it diffficult for
    accurate interpretations - so we used check points and research protocol in the past
    to compensate. However, I know that there is a genuine signature that reversals have,
    and a specific way in which they must be "read"; or "translated". I think that the on-
    going developement of software will provide a marvellous means of totally independent
    documentation, that will be beneficial in the legal system as time marches on ..."

    David Oates - Forum posting 11/97



    "The whole area of RS and other languages needs much more research. It has
    been found so far in Spanish, French and German. It appears to be occurring in
    the language that the person is thinking in at the time. The most amazing study we
    have done so far concerns a student I had from Germany. When she first came to
    the states many of her reversals were in german even though she was speaking
    English forward. As time passed and she spoke English better, her reversals then
    changed to half English and half German, then shifted again to nearly all English.
    Now, when she's in Germany speaking German she reports her reversals are in
    German and when she speaks English they are in English. It appears to be occur-
    ing in the language that the person is thinking in at the time of speaking. Another
    initial observation is that there appears to be similar metaphors in both English and
    German that appear to have similar meanings. If this bares itself out in time then it
    adds much more weight to the existence of a collective unconscious and possibly
    the existence of a universal metaphoric language. However much more work is need-
    ed obviously and this will happen as more bi-lingual people continue to be trained."

    - David ( Oates )



    Posted by 'enigma' on Thursday, 27 November 1997, at 9:25 p.m., in response to
    * Edgar Mitchell lying ? - speech reversals ... *, posted by radioman on Wednesday,
    26 November 1997, at 11:28 a.m.

    ( HOST: bsd-as6s56.erols.com )

    Must explain myself on this : compare the language structure of modern, middle and
    old ENGLISH to GAELIC. Gaelic sounds like english reversed. I am not the first
    human to suggest this. Ironically, english is a very new greatly latinized offshoot of
    the germanic languages, largely thanks to Hastings in 1066.{ and also a ressurect-
    ion of two "dead" languages during the renaissance GREEK+LATIN } GAELIC pre-
    dates BEOWULF, has roots back for thousands of years in Europe, though is not as
    old as the languages of the BASQUE people. GAELIC sounds very much like the
    recording reversals. Someone from a previous aeon who understands gaelic would
    have many humorous remarks about your rigorous research, notwithstanding the
    cultural conflicts that tried to express themselves through the vehicle of the series
    ROAR [foxtv]. James Joyce was more sucessful in his efforts. I am curious, should
    you find old recordings of GAELIC, would they actually say things in english, espec-
    ially since the gift of the language that we know as modern English is that it is versa-
    tile to the point of really not saying anything much at all. Subliminally, the mind intern-
    ally often softly talks to itsself. Read ON THE SUBLIME by DIONYSUS CASSIUS
    LONGINUS,the Greek philosopher who was beheaded near PALMYRA after AD270
    at your leisure. In the meantime, some irish music is still sung in gaelic. YOU ARE
    DEFINATELY ON TO SOMETHING. THE REVERSALS SOUND LIKE MENTAL
    POSTIT NOTES.

    'enigma'



    "RS creates intense reactions in people !!! Normally passive happy people can
    become extremely violent when confronted with it. It is a phenomenon called
    reversal reaction. It is all the incongruities that people have rising to the surface
    in one foul swoop. That is because RS accesses the soul - we all know it
    unconsciously whether we believe it its real or not, and most people are absolutely
    terrified to look into the light of the soul - to see the face of God - to admit they
    have faults and monsters living inside. I know all about it. They have burned my
    house down, riddled my walls with bullets, hacked into my computers, screamed
    at me from the streets. I have lost all my friends and spouses etc. etc. This is RS -
    In time it will create major turmoil in our civilization because it will force all of us
    to look within. After a period of unrest, our society will see an evolutionary leap.
    I understand you ( radioman ) not wanting to be one of its prophets BUT we do
    need them. Any takers???" - David Oates 10/10/97 RS Forum Posting


    The preceding excerpts were courtesy of Nexus New Times, Vol. 4 #6, for
    Oct - Nov 1997. They can be reached at : nexus@peg.apc.org




    * Update ! *



    "I just read your entire site for the first time - WELL DONE - keep up
    the good work."

    "David ( Oates )"



    "To: radioman@seasurf.com"
    "From: david oates (backwards@reversespeech.com)"
    "Subject: Re: 'recent events' ..."

    "What a nice letter to get from someone for a change instead of the
    flaming and insults etc etc etc. Thank you so very very much. I do
    indeed understand what you are going through. RS certainly brings it out
    in people. It has been a very tough road. Change comes into society with
    a wrenching and wailing many times, It get so frustrated and so pained ..."
    "...Its just the constant pressure, on and on and on,
    and finally you crack and give it back to them and then you're in even
    worse trouble - It hurts, it really does, especially when you know your
    own motives and own heart ..."

    "I mean this week alone, I've had a death threat, a fraudulent
    email spam campaign, two office breakins, rougue RS groups starting -
    and there they all are carrying resting on the laurels of my work while
    I still take the heat, with no support, or understanding or even a care ......"

    "Being a pioneer is a tough lonely road that very few people walk."

    "Anyway, I'm sorry - I don't mean to carry on - I'm just saying I
    understand what you are going through and I appreciate your support and
    your note VERY VERY much ! I really do ..."

    " ... I just want us all to be friends. RS is such a precious
    discovery, its implications are world shaking - there just isn't the
    time for all the pettiness and BS. We must work together andf make it
    work. Keep at it radioman, my fellow ham ( VK5ADO is my call and I'm
    setting up my rig this weekend )"

    "73s de VK5ADO (David)"

    ( VK5ADO
    8 Haven Way
    Hackham West 5163
    Australia )





  • " ... because it's not true, cos it is - its just that I have the matter
    transport/dimensional access machine built and working in the garage,
    and am using the projector as a ploy of playing dumb. The VCR is
    gathering dust but still being used. My concern is, no-one is ready
    for the matter transporter.  Or maybe - I'm not ready for it yet. I am
    still far too unprepared. I have enough problems coping with what I have
    now. How's that next door neighbor of yours, David Oates - ponder that one
    for a while - cos that is what is going to happen when I open the garage
    door. The millenium has arrived !"

    "I'll watch the replies on your ( Hunter ) board and make some decisions. Come
    and see me. You may be the person I'm looking for anyway - there's a lot of
    history we need to sort out though in just the short space of six months.
    Have you worked out who I really am yet???????"

    "David Oates"


    "There is so much to RS - my long term strategy has always been to
    release it slowly, piece by piece. I know people want it faster but the
    human condition simply is not ready for it yet. We would all self
    destruct - I'm serious ... "

    " ... Cos, whether you intend to or not, you will become a mirror for them and
    vice verse, and the energies will loop around and consciousness will retreat back
    to the dungeon from whence it came. I have seen this time and time and time
    again. It is a MAJOR problem in RS that will only get worse and will
    eventually encompass the entire world as it spreads out. The solution is
    to recognise it for what it is, combine forces and take appriopriate
    measures. You are literally accessing the forces of the universe with
    RS, and these forces have been trapped and locked up for eons."

    "David Oates"


    " ... your open and inquiring mind is welcome, and so desperately needed, but you
    are asking the WRONG questions. Simply put, there is NO SUCH THING as gibberish.
    The reversals are constant, and there are lots of them, all on top of each other. I
    called this observation "Many Voices," because I can hear different and distinct voices
    , all talking at once so to speak. Some are male, others female, some deep, others shrill,
    all on top of each other. I rejected many of the "published" reversals because they
    appeared to combine fragments from these different voices to create words that were
    not there, when one isolated the individual voices. This is the closest thing I have found
    to "projection," as these fabricated words often seem to be made to fit into some pre-
    conceived notion of the analysts expectations of what would be found. Others are
    calling the phenomenon "Multi-Level Reversals," apparently to build upon the concept
    of the three "types" of reversals postulated in the published theories and termed
    "Levels." To me this term is misleading, as I am discussing a completely different thing
    than "types."

    "To use the above analogy, a given "Object" found in the tree MIGHT be related to
    Jung's "Symbols," and then could be called a "Metaphor Type" reversal, which here-
    tofore has been termed "Level Three." This does not mean, however, that it is the third
    object found, or that the fourth object found should then be called a "Level Four"
    reversal. I don't care what we call it, it has to be called something, but let's understand
    what we mean when we use the term. I posit no conclusions whatever regarding the
    source, or meaning, of these inexplicable voices that I hear when playing speech recor-
    dings backwards. To me, it does not matter whether they originate in the mind of the
    speaker or that of the listener, or (shudder) a source beyond either. If one backs away
    from the "ultimate lie detector" concept, it matters not at all. Frankly, we have been
    working with an inadequate and dysfunctional theory, that is so appealing that we have
    been trying to cram our observations into its rather subjective mold, and pleading with
    others to validate our beliefs. Those of us who can hear them, need to start fresh, with
    an open mind. I wonder WHY I hear these voices. I wonder WHERE they are coming
    from. Most of all, I wonder WHY they are there. One thing I do not wonder is IF I hear
    them. The answers I have heard so far are inadequate, for me, though I have not ruled
    them out. The "I hear beer, you hear wine, the message is alcohol" theory may very well
    be true, but it is inadequate to explain the origin of the message and reason for its
    existence. We may be able to make a science out of this yet, but I suspect it will be
    closer to the realm of quantum physics than to forensics."

    "The journey promises to be fascinating. If you made it this far, I thank you for your time,
    and await with interest your reactions."

    "Regards,"

    "Dave Hunter"


    I want to address momentarily your concerns about "Many Voices", For a
    start, I have known about this ever I since I first started. I have
    worked with it over and over again - we have done the experiments in
    class ad infinitum very similar to yours trying to grasp it (all of
    these are on class tapes and videos). I chose to not discuss it when I
    first went public cos it was just too much a red herring for the
    skeptics. I wanted to at least get some credibility and interest going
    before I tackled that one."

    "My initial fears were that yes, this is all just a product of the mind,
    and you can project into the gibberish anything you want - and that is
    true to a large extent when most people first begin. The gibberish
    becomes a mirror for your own face. But separate and distinct from that
    is the very real phenomenon of multi layered speech reversals. I have
    located eight separate layers so far, that vary from each other in depth
    according to tonality and the "etheric nature" of the sounds. I use the
    analogy in class of a multi layered hologram - you can look at them from
    slight different angles and see a different aspect of the projection
    depending on what position you look at it from - its simply another
    aspect of the same overall picture - or those 3D pictures - stare at it
    long enough, and adjust your eyes the right way, and you'll see the
    image. - RS is like many 3D images all superimposed upon each other -
    different people see and hear different levels depending on who they are
    and what metaphors they run. When the different levels are genuine (as
    opposed to projected), each level will complement or relate to each
    other, giving a different aspect of each. One person may hear the word
    alcohol and the other will hear the word wine - both different versions
    of the same message."

    "And, when you think about it - how could it be any other way?? RS is a
    spiritual phenomenon that accesses the totality of all there is - the
    universe is a multi dimensional, multi layered structure with nooks and
    crannys all over the place, so is RS. The first level information
    (conscious stuff) is what most people first hear - that has its own
    unique sound ---- anyway if I start on this I'll be typing forever. Look
    at my theories carefully. I have worded them very deliberately. "Human
    speech has at least two distinctive and complementary functions and
    modes..........." Never do I say it is from the unconscious as such but
    it is an unconscious phenomenon - outside of our conscious control -
    which is quite true - lets get that part established first before we go
    any deeper..........."

    "There is no gibberish, only levels that we have not yet begun to
    understand - each successive level occurs about once every ten seconds
    or so (my public statements), but there are multi levels like
    tapestries interwoven all on top each other ----- it is complex to say
    the least. I do not pretend to have it worked out yet, but I am well on
    the path. Have you ever heard the story of two men looking at different
    sides of the one object - one side is gold and the other side is silver
    - neither man can see the other persons side -and they both argue
    profusely, half killing each other in process over their own subjective
    realities without ever bothering to step out of their own experience and
    into the experience of the other."

    "Anyway, all I am trying to say, is I understand far more than you
    realise where you are going and the concerns that you and others have
    and if everyone would just stop and take a deep breath, and quit
    shouting at each other, then we might just all work it out. You know, I
    was deeply grieved by the way the bbs went. I am kicking myself ad
    infinitum for allowing myself to get all caught up into the energy of it
    - it became like a drug - and then finally, I manifested yet another
    threat on my life cos the energetics got me yet again. So I pulled the
    board and I pulled the site, told people I was pissing off to Australia,
    just so I could break the rapport and start again."

    " ... I understand RS far more than anyone out there can possibly imagine - You
    read IOAM, didn't you - that gets a little closer to it - IOAM part two (which is half-
    way through being written now) gets even deeper..."

    "David Oates"

    <<<<<<<<>>>>>>>>

    "I signed a contract for the software last week after seeing a fantastic demo. I
    have been promised a commerical product by January next year. The same with
    reversing machines. I have finally been able to go into self production. A new
    machine should be on the market also by early next year, at a much reduced price.
    The correspondence course has been greatly improved. I just hired one of my
    Master Analysts to supervise it and the progress is wonderful."

    "1/ hearing reversals. Anyone will hear a few reversals here and there when they
    first start. That is natural. Some of those reversals will be genuine, most will not be.
    They will be very clear to you, but no-one else. IF you put in 15 hours of week in
    study, you will cross a Threshold after about six months and begin to hear at a
    different level, down to the more genuine ones - your reversals will become far
    more accurate. After about 12-18 months, you will begin to hear the deep metaphors
    and recognize the characteristic sounds of genuine reversals. After 3-4 years, you
    will become reasonably proficient at this skill and be ready to explore new ground.
    You may dispute these figures but they are correct. I am stating this not to discourage
    people from studying - exactly the opposite. Keep on studying BUT don't get dogmatic.
    You are only a student until you have burned the hours."

    "2/ Listening to your own reversals - you cannot overestimate the power of RS!! It
    Access's consciousness at a level none of us are ready for - it takes you immediately
    to the deepest structures of conscious and walls and barriers and self deceptions that
    are so thick, their force is overwhelming. They have been in place for eons and will
    not move easily. When first exposed, emotional forces are activated that are extremely
    strong. If you listen to you own reversals before you know what you're doing, you WILL
    go into reaction. This may take several forms - anger, fear, nightmares, chills etc. BUT,
    the most common form of reaction is a massive amplification of the dysfunction that was
    exposed, PLUS total conscious blindness to that Dysfunction and a violent transfer to
    this issue to some other person, usually RS or me. In other words, if your Dysfunction is
    a major ego, once you become aware of reversals to this effect - you must DEAL with it
    Immediately. IF you do not deal with it, Within a few days or weeks, your ego will
    become overpowering, yet you will not see it and you will see other people, specifically
    those associated with RS (cos RS exposed it) as having A major ego. It will then
    become your righteous campaign to correct this wrong, and thus you become even
    more egotistical. This is a simple form, but usually reversal reaction is extremely violent
    and irrational and its blindness is total and complete. Uncontrolled reaction is extremely
    dangerous and Destructive. You will experience reaction if you listen to Your own
    reversals and in extreme cases it will cause you to leave RS - that is its purpose to
    remove from the threat or at least pervert the threat to such an extent that it no longer
    remains a threat. Look at all The people who come and go on this and other RS BBSs,
    notice how they suddenly go ape shit for no logical reason. That is reaction. If you can
    get people to hang in there while they are experiencing it, they will come through fine, if
    they do not, they will be in a worse place than they were when they first started.
    Reaction can last for a few weeks or 2-3 years, usually several months is the common
    time frame."

    "3/ Metaphoric structures of consciousness - yes!! This is the most fantastic discovery
    of all with RS - also, the structures of the collective unconscious itself. The informa-
    tion I have uncovered will change civilisation and bring us back to God again. BUT, I
    cannot release this information or use it until I have MANY other people around support-
    ing me. Herein lies my biggest problem and greatest frustration. I cannot get people to
    stay long enough to learn from me so I can create the movement to make all this happen.
    I have never seen such stubbornness or lack of ability to learn and respect experience.
    If everyone could just shut up and stop freaking out, and hang in there and learn and
    support, we can take RS to the moon. But, alas. This does not happen. I started Shewolf
    Trances again three weeks ago. I gave Warnings to my staff and people before I began.
    Everyone understood what I would be doing and promised to hang in there when the
    reaction energy from this trance Began. Alas and woe - when I did the trance within a
    week, four staff members resigned, my relationship with Karen broke up etc. etc. The
    last time I Attempted it, my house burned down the following week."

    "The point being is this - yes, I have made a fantastic discovery - yes I have located
    the core structures of consciousness and creation with RS but its message is so heavy
    and threatening, no-one wants to see it. Let alone hang in there and pay the price neces-
    sary to bring it out. So I walk a lonely path troubled path, carrying the Holy Grail in my
    hand but its light is too bright for most people to handle."

    "Bottom line - I made a post on the ufo board a while back looking for all the Prophets.
    I still look. Where are you? Where are the people who are willing to learn and hang in
    there and support this movement - to sacrifice all - cos that is what we need, Leaders
    and motivators who can work with each other not against, sacrifice their egos and let
    go of their own structures and beliefs and allow their soul to shine. Please contact me
    - RS needs you and the approaching millenium needs you. We need truth and honesty
    and reconnection to the Divine. RS can do that. Can you think of anything more important?"

    "David Oates"



    "I just saw an old episode of "REAL PEOPLE" on T.V. this evening... There was
    this woman (I have a poor memory) on, who was a teacher of English at a high school
    ("The King's School"???) Well, in order to increase the interest in her classes, she
    would SPEAK words, phrases, all in reverse !! On the show, she announced Skip
    Stephenson's and Sarrah Purcell's names in reverse, then they ran the tape backwards,
    then the names came out to sound amazingly like the examples that Mr. David John
    Oates has been credited with for years !!! This is amazing, and they all had that "SING-
    SONG" quality, when they played her voice backwards !! This is just MORE proof that
    this is a very well thought through science! This woman spoke normally, except she
    had the ABILITY to reverse her words instantly. Has anyone seen this?"

    "Jeffrey T. Thorsgaard - 09:39pm Dec 16, 1997 PDT"



    Date: Tue, 23 Dec 1997 20:52:37 -0800
    From: david oates (backwards@reversespeech.com)
    Reply-To: backwards@reversespeech.com
    Organization: reverse speech
    To: radioman@seasurf.com
    Subject: Re: <:{)> "Merry Christmas from radioman" <:{)>

    Thanks Joe - Merry Christmas to you too, my friend !! - David ( Oates )



    <<<<<<<<>>>>>>>>


    "The unconscious is rich and full of life. I think its the real Kingdom. Its what really
    rules our world. Because its battles reflect our battles. These are the real spiritual
    powers, the principalities and rulers of the invisible world within. All my work shows
    me that. Reverse speech begins first. Children speak backwards before they do for-
    wards. Speech reversals occur backwards in conversation before they are spoken
    forwards and I can see behavior being orchestrated on the unconscious level some-
    times months before it/ever manifests in the conscious world."


    "Everything you see and experience is a reflection, or a message even, from the
    unconscious mind. This is reflected in your speech forwards and backwards, your
    emotions and even your physical structure. Then its reflected out there. In the
    advertisements, and the movies, and the songs, and the people and the number
    plates and everything. Its all the unconscious speaking. And its a jungle of voices. A
    jungle with millions of trees and vines and roots and flowers and you name it cos its
    been growing since we first crawled out of the sludge and into the darkness."


    "I theorized that the metaphors actually created the behavior that they were describ-
    ing. I began to think of them as energy forces or as having a life of their own. In some
    of my lectures I described the experience of consciousness as being an orchestra sung
    by the many voices of the living metaphors within."


    "My years of work leaves me with many unanswered questions, but I do know this. It
    is not one voice but many voices and they are the choruses of total consciousness
    dancing in unison. You can hear them in all the different tonalities of speech reversals.
    Some of you will hear some, some of you others, none of you all of them."
    David Oates


    <<<<<<<<>>>>>>>>


    "In theory I do not believe there is gibberish (I have stated that publically) - in
    practice, however, it is a very bad procedure to follow cos I have always found that
    it leads to projection. I, personally, have never found a tape that contains ALL rever-
    sals (as I analyse them according to the protocols) BUT when the students do tapes
    separately and we put all the genuine ones together - we can sometimes get close
    to constant dialogue. The fact is, reversals occur in many tonal layers (ranging from
    melodic to robotic etc.) and most people only hear at one layer. I have seen some
    people who can hear 2-3. On a good day, if I am really concentrating I might be able
    to hear 3-4. It is simply unpractical to try and find them all - you are limited by time,
    your listening skills as well as mental structures that will block you from hearing more
    than one or two layers."

    "I have been doing this for 14 years and I still only document (and find) reversals
    every 10 seconds or so - it was every 30 seconds when I first began. When I can
    full in the gaps is when I correlate results from other people who are hearing the layers
    I am not. My advice to anyone is simply this. Stick to what you can hear and make sure
    that it is accurate by following the protocols. As I say in class, the most important thing
    is accuracy and complementarity. If you keep this in mind you cannot go wrong."

    "I would rather you document 10 reversals that are accurate, than 100 reversals, half
    of which might be dubious. You are dealing with people's souls when you do their
    reversals and you dare not mess with it. Document cautious and sparingly and people
    will become free. Document loosely and you will bind people up. I speak from much
    experience with hundreds of clients. Also speaking from experience after training 100s
    of students, other than the rare person with a natural talent, most people document
    gibberish (a loose term for layers we have not yet begun to understand or hear) for the
    first few weeks and then gradually learn from then on. If you are documenting more
    than once every ten seconds the chances are you are projecting because each suc-
    cessive layer occurs every ten seconds or so based on how I understand the tech-
    nology so far" - David Oates


    "There must be rules and regulations and enforcement of those rules, or human nature
    being the way it is, we will all go ballisitic and justify anything we like. All of this re-
    minds of what happened many years ago during a training class in Dallas - no-one
    wanted to follow the protocols, claiming that reversals were everywhere, so I relented
    and let them go - well intentioned people were claiming to have "proof" that this
    person molested their child, that person took drugs, he was demon possessed etc
    etc etc - all of these accusations were totally wrong and incorrect, and the class
    degenerated into a rabble of hatred and ego centric abuse. Many people were ser-
    iously psychologically damaged during that fateful year. Now, I enforce the protocols
    rigidly. Sure, I might miss some reversals, or many reversals, but at least it is being
    done in a safe fashion, and I know that the reversals I have found do exist and can be
    verified with facts. The protocols that I have designed work and they work very well.
    They have proven themselves over and over again. Genuine reversals will be heard
    by everyone - if they cannot be heard by others then they must be discarded and
    thrown out. If in doubt throw it out - I follow this motto in class with my own reversals
    as well as those of my students. The trouble is this. RS is very complex technology.
    It takes years and years to get proficient at it. And, I surely do not have all the
    answers yet. We have barely begun to understand what it is that we have here.
    Caution and self questioning is essential. There are genuine reversals and there is
    projection. If the "information" someone claims to have found does not turn out to be
    true then the fault is with the researcher not the technology." - David Oates

    ************************************

    "... Can you imagine the police force with unlimited powers and do what they feel they
    must if it feels right - people will be shot ad infinitum on a whim - or a surgeon just
    going in and cutting where they feel like it - I do not have all the answers, anyone
    who says they do are fooling themselves - but I do know this. If the rules are not
    followed, then chaos will ensure and this precious precious technology that can
    open us up to our soul, will only open up the gates of Hell instead. That is something
    I do not want on conscience when I face my Maker." - David Oates

    ************************************

    "(1) Levels = the various stages of the mind from which reversals come. ie: conscious
    reversals (level 1, straight forward english); and unconscious reversals (level 2&3,
    metaphors of varying types - covered in great detail in class)"

    "(2) Layers - 2 or 3 or more reversals that occur at the same time - they can be
    distinguished by the differing tonalities - covered in class - some people will hear
    some layers and other people othere layers - but the protocols MUST be used to
    distinguish genuine layers from gibberish - the practice of repeatably looping tapes
    was tried extensively many years ago by various students and myself and eventually
    discarded because, whilst it sometimes caused one to hear other layers, more often
    than not it caused projection into the gibberish."

    "And, as I say in class, each successive layer communicates essentially the same
    message anyway and are complemnetary to the forward - they just use different words
    - hence clustering and the session overview at the end is what is important."

    "Analysts in class are taught efficency and speed - we want this technology to be useful
    in practice and endless theorising and analysing will only lead to confusion. Get to the
    point and get to it fast and accurately."

    "The theory of Many Voices the way I have used it for years does not refer to levels
    or layers but rather the many areas of consciousness that communicate in RS - I have
    discussed this on Art Bell occasionally. I need to point out that the times I have tried
    to go deeper and get into the meat of things, Art has always been cautious and asked
    me to keep to the simple stuff. I go into greater depths on the Jeff Rense show and will
    be doing so on Monday night this week." - David Oates


    " ... You will see a lot more of it too in the weeks ahead. Anyway, as I stated on the
    Jeff Rense show last night, the time has come to open RS up. This will begin at
    the Convention this weekend. I have nurtured it for many many years, kept it safe,
    helped it to grow waiting for the day when people would start to accept it. That day
    has now come, but like a father letting their child go, it is tough. Be patient. This is
    an amazing, amazing technology that brings us all back home again. The wealth of
    knowledge and information that this has for us all is awe inspiring. It is literally open-
    ing the seals of the akashic records - it can and will usher us all into a new era. My
    intention has always been to have it accepted as a fact before getting into the guts
    of it - that acceptance is obviously here now - so much so that people are fighting
    over it already. I hope we can all take a deep breath and work together and jointly
    try to grasp the amazing implications it has for society and our future. The voice of the
    Soul, the access into the world beyond is now here for us all" - David ( Oates )


    ************************************

    In conclusion, I will add that many have put forth 'new' theories as to how all of this
    works, and why ... no one has challenged whether it works or not. Like gravity, we might
    not fully understand exactly how it works - it just is ... & among all the new and untried
    theories, there are no 'new' ideas to be had so far, other than more experience DOES
    help ( and David Oates has the most ! ) ; and computers may be better than cassettes
    for finding the most detailed reversals, but that has yet to be proven as well ... What
    does stand out, like other Internet 'adventures' , is the need to 'disagree', and if you
    remember the opening paragraphs here, the arguments among the researchers over
    the results is why the government research stopped in the first place ! There also is
    an 'ego' component to all of this, and who is best qualified ... such arguments have
    existed in other fields in the past, and until agreed upon national certifications take
    place, these discussions - too numerous to mention here - will continue; and even
    after all that has taken place, there are still those who claim, based on thousands of
    hours of experience - ham radio in this example - that there are other equivalent ways
    of obtaining necessary training outside of reverse speech entirely. Being of this view
    myself, while I did purchase a book as useful reference material, I have yet to take
    any classes / seminars, or training so far - and my successes so far can be attributed
    to 'critical' listening skills developed over three decades in radio communication skills
    acquired so far ... the irony is that the average 'fan' of The SPYder Web, the parent
    host website of these web pages, is most appreciated by ex-hams, inactive hams, or
    retired military / NSA personnel ... it is the active ham radio operators, so highly train-
    ed in the 'critical' listening skills to hear conversations in the 'noise' who; as a group,
    are the most reluctant to try reverse speech - even though they would have the initial
    advantage that I did, and probably have the most success at it !

    In an attempt to make sense of this in only the last several months, I've found some
    interesting areas ... first, the area of 'reversing words'. According to David Oates,
    there is a small list of these, that fortunately are not many. Words like 'president' will
    always reverse to 'deserve', and 'so' reverses to 'wuss' everytime, no matter who says
    them - so there ARE words that 'naturally' have real words backwards ! My thoughts
    are to currently discard them, unless there's more ( Mr. President / I deserve it ) ...
    David Oates' has researched metaphors and meanings to all of these as well ...
    Without that list, found by experience, I'm left with recording the same phrases again
    myself on another tape - and comparing ... if anything matches, there might be some
    'reversing words' there ... secondly, there are those words which 'sound alike' - we
    all remember those, like 'slay' and 'sleigh'. Words that everyone will agree on, by the
    sounds - but seeing them in print verifies that they 'mean' entirely different things !
    And in listening to audio, I contend that only the 'context' will allow you to pick the
    correct 'sound-alike' word in that reversal ... No matter how many times you listen, the
    sounds will be the same as the first time ! David says listening more than 5 times may
    pave the way for 'projection' into it - of things that aren't there ... I wonder, because
    there are even things that sound nearly exact, like the name 'Oliver' and the phrase,
    "all of her" ... I think interpreting in context helps decide, but David thinks one can
    then 'project' something to 'fit' the rest ...

    Also, there is Electronic Voice Phenomena - the recording of 'nothing', using a normal
    microphone, blank tape, and a 'noise' source, like a radio, tuned to NO station - just a
    lot of 'background noise' ... the current theory is that 'ghosts / spirits / entities' then
    communicate with us in this manner - even video tape, and computer hard drives ! I've
    already had one instance of this in a recording studio many years ago - thought it was
    a 'glitch' and bulk-erased it ! We can't totally rule-out EVP either, & with many decades
    of study of EVP in Europe, there is more doccumented data on EVP than reverse speech
    itself ... not to mention all of the many other ways, through meditation, visions, tarot,
    etc., for means by spirit guides, guardian spirits, angels, and others can communicate
    with us ... Then there is the 'Ouija' Board. My initial thoughts were, months back, that
    the short clipped english phrases were exactly like those Ouija messages ... so the
    research continues ...

    In closing, I will say that reverse speech may not be for everyone ! In addition to
    'reversal reaction' that you might experience personally, you'll have to decide for
    yourself whether you want to spend hours listening to recorded tapes - and why.
    While there are definite law enforcement uses, as well as several therapy uses; for
    the average person, the 'dark side' of wanting to 'get the goods' on someone may
    actually prove too tempting. The only legitimate use I can currently think of for this
    technology is how to be a better informed voter - and get 'more' out of political speech
    by candidates ! Not to mention N.A.S.A. briefings ! David Oates warns against the use
    of 'self-therapy' of this kind. Most of the messages can be 'dark' since you'll probably
    be looking for incongruities from people, where their forewards speech is quite different
    from their reversals - so while Mr. Oates says he lives in the 'Twilight Zone', you may
    find yourself living in the popular 'Millenium' TV show, if that's to your liking. Like Ouija
    boards, you will get past the point of whether it works or not, you'll get to the why, and
    even why are YOU doing it ? Think carefully, young Skywalker, for when the first initial
    excitement wears off, you have to ask yourself if exploring the 'dark side' is worth it !
    We all have our demons, it is said, and with all of the many interesting areas of the whole
    paranormal realm that you could investigate, including the *new* area of Electronic Voice
    Phenomena, you have to ask yourself about all this at some point ... As for me, I know
    that there is definitely something 'there' regarding reverse speech ... however as of late
    it seems that the "dark side" of the 'force' has been more apparent. All reversals are
    interesting, most of the 'rest' of what happens on the Internet relating to it is not ...
    I've tried to 'capture' the best of the technical based discussion posts on this webpage,
    including quotes from David Oates himself ... some other researchers are becoming more
    like those early polygraph researchers in the '70s who hooked up the family dog, and
    even houseplants to GSR chart recorders - going as far as mutilating plants to 'capture'
    their 'emotional reactions' on chart paper - so too the new breed seems to be roaming
    around looking for the next 'kill' ... consider the following analogy :

    If someone wanted to do 'spirit photography', lets say two main approaches are now
    available to this person. One method would be to hang-out at cemetaries, taking photos
    of headstones, and a small percentage of photos will contain small energy 'globules'
    which can be said to represent energy from disembodied spirits - captured on film ...
    my, wouldn't that be great at parties ! ( " ... here, look at my pictures !" ). Perhaps a
    second main approach would be to take photos of cloud formations in the skies, and
    a small percentage of photos would contain small 'angel shaped' clouds ! Imagine
    then showing those choice angel photos to your friends ... I don't know who your friends
    are but I'd rather be known as a 'skygazer' with angelic photographs ! Perhaps this
    hits the core of the 'dark side' problem as I see it. While David Oates promises to
    reveal more, over time about how to directly "access the akashic records" with reverse
    speech - there are already better, simpler ways to do these spiritual things, i.e. read
    akashic records, talk to your spirit guides, etc. ( see the 'new age' movement of the
    past decade ). While there must be more than a few legitimate uses for reverse speech,
    I admit I wouldn't care to be in contact with most folks who are involved in it so far;
    and with all the spiritual activities one can participate in; running Kundalini energy,
    meditation, telekinesis, ESP, psychic and paranormal research, (as I've done for over
    8 years), I can think of so many, many other activities well worth the time invested !
    So again, if you are attracted to the 'dark side' then perhaps that is where your heart
    will be also ! More to come ... May the 'force' be with you !

    Best Wishes - radioman@seasurf.com
    http://seasurf.com/~radioman/



    *** Update January 1998 ***

    Message:

    "Hi from radioman :"

    "Like Jerry, I declined to do reversals ( on Cher about Sonny Bono, and unlike Jerry,
    for different reasons : ) ... perhaps if the *new* gulf war breaks out, I'll dig out my
    reversing machine ... I've stopped doing reversals since we discovered ( myself,
    Cynthia, Ellie ... ) that the reversals are like crystal gazing / ouija / psychomantium
    - in that the 'reversals' you get are the ones you 'want' to find, or 'expect' ... dis-
    cussed at length elsewhere, it's not that they aren't there, just that there are so many
    'voices' that you ( the LISTENER ) use a 'mental filter' to pick out what you expect
    to hear - if you liked Sonny, you'll get pro-Sonny reversals, if you dislike him, you'll
    get angry Cher-hated him reversals - it's more a reflection of YOU than anything else,
    your state of mind, and at different times, you'll hear equally valid reversals ( see
    psychomantium - Moody : some 'see' ghosts, friends, future visions, demons, some
    nothing at all ! ). Comparing reversals with pro-anti Freddie Mercury music proved it
    to me. Cindy got 'angel' reversals, I only got 'sex-drugs-rock-n-roll' ones ... )"

    "Good Luck,"
    "radioman"


    Message:

    "That is certainly true in the early stages of research, and in the first few months
    of class I learn more about my students by the reversals they find than anything else
    - but with time you learn to listen past the blocks and filters and here what is really
    there. Part of training is to face yourself and see yourself and recognise your own stuff
    - once that has been accomplished, the real journey begins, because then you can
    stretch beyond your own limitations. This is true of any discipline - the Philosophy
    student for example is going to be naturally drawn to those writings that support their
    own. The scientist, despite their statements to the opposite, are mostly caught in
    their own mold of belief. Once they have learned to let go of their predudices they
    can then begin to learn the real stuff that is beyond their current understanding. My
    experience is that once someone passes the one year mark of reversal finding the real
    fun begins. There has been many tapes I have done where I have gone in expecting
    to find one thing and actually find something quite different. The secret, as with every-
    thing, is experience and objectivity. I encourage you to continue, follow the research
    protocols and be prepared to step beyond who you curruntly are and what you currently
    believe - only when you can learn to document outside of your own subjective exper-
    ience and belief systems will the real mysteries of Reverse Speech be revealed. It
    truely is a two way mirror whose secrets have been very carefully hidden. As a student
    of the cosmos you of all people should realise that. The greatest secrets require the
    greatest tests of character and resolve. Push on and you will get to the other side" -

    David ( Oates )


    ( "An appendum to my post above - - - - - - - - - - - because there is the tendency for
    projection into the gibberish and limited documentation, the research protocols and
    speed checks filter out much of the doubt over the genuinity of reversals - and whilst
    the documentation may very well be limited in the early stages, the accuracy of what is
    found is not compromised. You will not find genuine reversals, for example, that both
    confirm AND deny something - even in limited documentation from rigid belief systems
    or inability to step beyond, the accuracy of the located reversals will remain if the
    protocols are STRICTLY followed. This has been proven time and time and time again
    in training class. And, quite frankly, given the criticisms this technology receives I think
    it is foolhardly to be anything less" - David Oates )


    Wed. Jan 14 19:31:37 1998

    Message:

    "There's nothing wrong with lots of ( web forum ) boards - in fact, it's great ! This is
    the grass roots movement ! As people valuate it and do what they will with it - some
    incorporate it into their own fields to various extents, others explore new areas - that's
    what progress is all about. The human race is a hybrid of many different types - all of
    whom will adapt to this new field according to their beliefs and experience. To me, of
    course, I am one-eyed Reverse Speech and am involved in very little else - but that's
    the role I have created for myself as the founder of the RS technology and public
    spokesman for its outward movement. I can do no less and the nature of this role
    (its ups and downs) is becoming clearer to me as time goes on -- I wish you well in
    your endeavors and your progressive thoughts about RS" - David ( Oates )
















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